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Episode 213

Our dear friend, comedian, producer, and writer – the talented/hilarious PETE KARINEN came back on and discusses his recent epic road trip, why he has two regrets that involve weddings, the exact moment  in college when he decided to stop being a meanie and why Garden State is sitting right next to Margot At The Wedding in his book. He also creates a lot of phlegm in Elizabeth. A lot. Enjoy!

27 Comments!

Elanor says:

I find it interesting how quick peoples morals falter as soon as the person they want to support is a ‘talented artist’.

The excuse that the person and their art is separate isn’t true. Their art IS them. If you want to support it that’s fine, but that excuse doesn’t really fly.

Jennifer says:

Totally agree. If we don’t vote with our dollars and stand up for what we believe in then nothing changes.

Kat says:

DO NOT be afraid of traveling with kids. My parents took me and my sister *everywhere* from the time I was a teeny baby until … still! My dad took my colicky ass up and down the aisles in a tiny umbrella stroller on flights when I was a baby.

After my grandma died, my parents took my mourning grandpa along on a trip to Hawaii and then on to Australia where we road-tripped from Brisbane on down to Melbourne for a few weeks. So my parents had in tow: a grumpy grandpa, a 4 y.o. me, and my 13 y.o. sister. It was an EXCELLENT trip that I remember to this day and inspired me to move to Australia for a year after college.

My life was truly enriched by tagging along on business trips and vacations, and I’d been to every continent but Antarctica before my 17th birthday. The bonding I did with my parents while traveling was so different to the bonding we did driving to school and ballet.

Maybe when you’re in Phuket you can leave Oprah with her grandparents for a night and stay at a romantic beachside hotel and have a little mini-getaway within your getaway! One of my favorite Mommy Bloggers, Naomi Davis, has traveled with her husband and two tiny kids to Rome, Paris, Amsterdam, and posted the following tips about traveling with kids:

http://lovetaza.com/2012/08/traveling-with-littles-4/
http://lovetaza.com/2012/12/traveling-abroad-with-littles/

KatieCass says:

I love this. Naomi’s blog is one of my favorites, has been for years. I love the idea of bringing along the crew regardless of everyone’s emotional state. Traveling is good for the soul.

Jessie says:

I tooottally agree. Elizabeth, in October we travelled to Ireland from Florida with our kid (He was 1 year and 1 month at the time). We road-tripped all over the country, hiked waterfalls, explored cities, etc. etc. It was AMAZING and sooo worth it! Our son did amzingly well! He really loved it there. Kids adapt much better than we give them credit for, I think. We’re planning trips to Norway and Peru in the next couple of years. Just because you have a baby you don’t have to stop living. ;)

Elizabeth says:

Love to hear this!! Thanks everyone!!! Can’t wait to check out this blog.

Erica says:

Can you start asking the guys (that are in to the beav) what they would prefer in place of a bald vagina? I mean what do they want, a landing strip, full bush? Give a girl some direction!

O-Shen Christ says:

don’t think any guy would turn any vagina down but frankly I like a landing strip

phillipe says:

I know this is a few days later but I just wanted to chime in. Ladies: trim your area a bit to your liking, but please don’t go overboard. Bald is just too… prepubescent and overgrooming could result in razor burn or ingrown hair for you. And then there’s stubble, which is not fun at all during oral sex.

Overly maintained crotch hair is something I feel like our sex saturated culture really needs to get over. I’m not a prude and not a hippy either, but the expectations placed on women to remove hair from their legs, armpits, face, and now crotches is a little crazy.

Christina says:

I’m surprised non one has mentioned this yet, so I’m going to. What if Woody Allen is innocent? I’m posting a link to his response on the whole subject below. Basically, his contention is that Mia Farrow coached her child into saying she was abused by her father because she was angry over their divorce. That’s something that certainly happens when divorces get messy. And children’s memories can be manipulated (reference to the 1980′s Satanic ritual abuses that were late proven false).

So … did he do it? I don’t know. Maybe, but maybe not. However, he isn’t hiding from the law (ahem … Roman Polanski), and he hasn’t been convicted. Do you have to let him watch your kids? No, but I don’t think it’s fair to assume he is guilty either.

My two cents. Thanks!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?_r=0

Danielle says:

I came on here to see if there was any backlash to the comments you made about child molesting not being as bad as dog fighting, and luckily (I guess) there doesn’t seem to be too much yet. This week I also listened to Totally Mommy, where you said that you plan to never leave your daughter alone with a man other than Andy, not even family members, because you are afraid of her getting molested. Never mind that these two opinions are totally contradictory, they both fall under the category of “things you shouldn’t say out loud”. It’s fine that you think them (brains are crazy places filled with all sorts of irrational thoughts and paranoia) but some things are just not socially acceptable to say, unless you want to perceived as a FUCKING WINGNUT! I myself harbored an unnatural dislike for Christopher Reeves while he was alive and thought it was completely stupid that anyone cared he fell off a horse when he hadn’t done any work that people cared about in over a decade – but I never talked about that with anyone except for my closest friends! I’m not saying something about these odd statements because I was personally offended or because i am striving to be politically correct. It’s just that, if you want people to take you seriously, and I DO want people to take you seriously, please stop saying things like this.
In both cases, I was happy to see that your friends/co-hosts called you on your bullshit and were able to talk some sense into you. That’s the best kind of friend and you should keep them
I love listening to all your podcasts by the way, even you do sometimes say things that make you sound like a completely ridiculous person.

Elizabeth says:

Danielle, your comment is clearly from a completely ridiculous person, so we have that in common! (Keep hearing what you want to hear, btw… I definitely do not think dog fighting is worse than child molesting. I have stronger feelings around the support of michael Vick than I do Woody allen. Big differences there.)

I’ll be sure to consult with you on what I’m allowed to say in the future. Glad you like the podcasts!
~A completely ridiculous person.

Danielle says:

You are correct that I am a completely ridiculous person (I mean did you read my Christopher Reeves story?) ;-) I really did not mean for this to come across as an insult (some things about tone are harder to convey in the written word) nor do I believe you actually think that dogfighting is worse than child molesting, my comment was more out of concern at how easily your statements could have been misunderstood (example ep.135 of Totally Married).
But, I’d also like to make it clear that I do not wish you to consult me or anyone else about what you say on your podcasts. Upon further reflection, I realize that one of the things I like best about your shows is your unguarded, stream of consciousness style of talking where you often start out saying one thing and then as you hear yourself talking you often change your mind and say something else completely. It’s very genuine and charming and I don’t think any of your listeners, myself included, would want you to change that. You just keep talking and I’ll just keep listening even if I do on occasion think some things sound a little crazy.
P.S. We can agree to disagree on the whole Christopher Reeves thing

Elizabeth says:

haha, thanks Danielle :) No offense taken, and I think we should someday hold a ridiculous person summit and express all of our out-there thoughts… Including mr. reeves, andy’s theories about dishwasher detergent and my strong opinion on skin tags. I’ll bring the wine, you bring chocolate :)

sarah says:

“I came on here to see if there was any backlash to the comments you made about child molesting not being as bad as dog fighting, and luckily (I guess) there doesn’t seem to be too much yet.”

Check the comment page for this episode on earwolf.com.

DT says:

Not to excuse what Michael Vick did, but he did apologize, many times, including when he pled guilty.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/michael.vick/index.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2993103

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-vick-i-blame-me/

I’d also caution against falling into the “this horror is worse that that horror” comparison. This implies that we can attach a quantity to such things. If someone says, “So, you think X is worse than Y?” respond with, “You think we can weigh these things against each other?” We can’t and we should try to. Child abuse is horrible. Animal abuse is horrible. Sexism is horrible. Climate change is horrible. Poverty is horrible. Thankfully, there are compassionate, committed people working on all these issues. They all deserve our support and not the implicit moral condemnation of some for not working on what we might consider the “most important” issue.

Elizabeth says:

I agree with you totally DT, thanks for this!

Also, in regards to the apology – the issue was more that he was apologizing to his “team” and people he let down, and I guess although he acknowledged that he did bad things, he never really apologized to or mentioned the animals specifically. I guess that’s splitting hairs and maybe it would seem silly to apologize to animals, but it was very offensive to the animal advocates who were taking in and rehabilitating the surviving dogs. He really had tortured and mutilated and killed many dogs in a very very brutal way… So the apology to his teammates and sponsors felt very vapid when the real victims went unmentioned. Again, open to interpretation depending on how animal crazy you are! :)

Emily says:

I love that you guys have been friends with Peter for so long. It was apparent that you all had such good friend chemistry! Being able to hear that through the conversation was fun. Im sure everyone wants to see the picture of your wedding where you are holding up a beer. Um, adorable.

I was a little confused about the whole Woody Allen/Michael Vick conversation but I think it was just because there was a lot going on. I will definitely defend you on this one. You straight up acknowledged that children are voiceless victims and as cray cray commenter pointed out, you and Andy are willing to go to incredibly lengths to make sure baby Oprah is safe (which I personally think is smart, I went through some terrible shit with my grandpa and everyone has always thought he was just a nice old man who would never hurt a child). I think the issues of child abuse and animal abuse are very, very different and really hard to compare. Both are awful. And if these crimes are committed by celebrities, these celebrities should be held accountable for those crimes. Im attaching a link about the Woody Allen case because I think it is very well written and provides the actual facts, not just emotions about the situation. FYI I also enjoy Woody Allens films (even though I think he has some major misconceptions about how people in lower socioeconomic statuses behave) but lately I feel incredibly conflicted about enjoying them. It is hard to ignore certain themes in his films when weighed against the allegations.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts

Anyway, you guys are great and I am so over the moon for you and your lil bundle of joy who is about to join you! Love hypnobaby and alternate birthing methods! You go girl!

Elizabeth says:

Thank you so much Emily! This means a lot… I would agree, there was a lot going on during that convo, and it’s hard to sound well informed when things come up on the spot – and actually we recorded this before the big time shit storm of Woody Allen media coverage began. Since reading up on it, I do have a stronger opinion of him and will likely not be paying to go see his films in the future. Not that I’m claiming to know everything, and I understand that this is all just based on the media stuff which you must take with a grain of salt but personally I just wouldn’t feel comfortable supporting him now… Thank you for linking to this article! And thank you for the kind words. :)

Elizabeth says:

Also, I’m so sorry to hear about your experience with your grandfather… This validates my point, not that I’ve decided anything but I think it’s extreme to say that a mom shouldn’t be allowed to have these boundaries or protections in place without ruining your kid’s trust in men. I’m hoping to discuss further with Leelee next time she’s on because I think there are valid points to both sides.

Ben says:

My latest thing is, if you think you can only support artists who have lived faultless lives, you’re kidding yourself.

Did you like that cute old man George Burns? Well, he cheated on his wife like a madman. As did great director Bob Fosse, and add sexual harassment and trying to pimp women out to business associates to that. How about that peace-loving genius, John Lennon? He beat women and abandoned his family. Acclaimed writer Aaron Sorkin? Smoked crack and had real problems sharing credit. Iconic poet Alan Ginsburg? Member of NAMBLA.

So, yeah, you have to take it all on a case-by-case basis: What are *you* comfortable with? But no one is in a position to say that they would never celebrate an artist whose personal behavior they abhor. Because we *all* do.

LT says:

Elizabeth, I really appreciated what you were saying in this episode about NOT having a safety net in order to go big and achieve your goals. I agree, there is something about having a plan B that makes your plan A not fully come into itself.
I also just wanted to say that while I don’t always agree with you, I think you are ballsy as hell to openly engage in so many personal discussions throughout your 3 different podcasts. I appreciate that you speak your mind and that you always seem to have the honesty to stand up for yourself when you really believe in something, or admit when you’re wrong with an intention to learn something new. Thank you for creating content that is honest, real and infused with humor throughout. You are going to be such a great role model for your daughter.

Elizabeth says:

Wow, LT, thank you SO much for this, it means the world to me, you have no idea! Especially right now when I’m so emotional. I really really take this to heart. thank you.

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