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Episode 143

It’s week two into parenthood and we’re back and at ‘em with the listener questions about feeling sexually dis-satisfied in a year long relationship, what to do on a road trip to St. Louis, how to help a friend you think is being destructive sexually, whether it’s possible to raise healthy kids as vegetarians, how to gracefully accept help from friends when you are down for the count, what steps to take to successfully start a freelance business, how to tell if a relationship is platonic or something more, how to handle a noisy dog when it’s time to get intimate, and how to cope when your girlfriend is going through a personal crisis? Enjoy!

19 Comments!

Ginger says:

Hey guys, parenthood has only made you funnier!! I nearly spit coffee on my computer listening to today’s show.

Our favorite place to visit in St. Louis is City Museum. It is a little kids centered, but it is great for fun adults, too. We never get enough of it. Also, Laumeier Sculpture Park is great if you have any interest in art and it’s FREE. And Forest Park has all kinds of great stuff to do. Not sure if the Botanical Gardens are in Forest Park but I think they are nearby and also are stunning. And yes, go up in the Arch!! Have fun!!

Christina says:

In STL, the Botanical Gardens is my definite must see! It’s one of the oldest gardens in the nation and is a national landmark. They’ve got cute cafes, a hedge maze and Japanese gardens — plus lots of beautiful statues and buildings. It’s also quite close to Forest Park, which has lots of awesome stuff to see as well.

Peggy says:

Thanks for the suggestions! These sound like exactly the things we want to explore!

Alia says:

My aunt and uncle used to live in Saint Louis, and I visited them pretty often as a kid. I so agree with City Museum - I had completely forgotten about it until now, and I am getting all these really fun flashbacks! I would go back there no matter how old I am.

Allie says:

I love listening to you guys!!! I consider you guys the besties, I never met or had an ‘actual’ conversation with. Yikes, that sounds weird.

Elizabeth you gave great advice to the writer-inner with the GF who was committed and unable to have contact with her. He is not responsible for her breakdown & he should definitely seek outside professional help. He should keep his distance for now and just get updates on her well-being from her friend, the “informant.”

Maybe the BF could write a letter a day to his GF and eventually when the time is right he can give them to her. Just to show her he missed her and wasn’t a purposefully absentee BF during her difficult times.

I was in a similar situation with a friend from college (albeit not as serious). Her mother did not approve of me and another friend at all. How we dressed, our ‘liberal’ attitudes, or the fact that she would rather stay on campus during the weekends then go home and attend church youth group functions. Ultimately, she had to make the decision to stand up for us. After 10+ years we are still her best friends and her mother now welcomes us with open arms.

I hope some how the writer-inner’s ‘informant’ can be an advocate for him and explain the situation to the GF’s parents.

Peggy says:

Hey guys,
I’m the writer inner that started dating her boyfriend at a young age and I’ve gotta say I’m just a little bummed out. I love the podcast and was really excited to hear your response to my question because you are usually very supportive and congratulate writter-inners about relationship milestones. Today I felt none of that love as you just wrote off the past five years of my relationship as illegal and portrayed me as a cougar that scopes our playgrounds for prey. Yes, the numbers make it seem really weird because we were BOTH very young when we started dating, but now I am just a 24 year old dating a 20 year old. I made the joke about being a creeper in my email because I have dealt with judgement and disapproval for the past five years of my life due to people make assumptions that are untrue. Normally if I am the one to make a joke people just let it go and it usually doesn’t bother me like it did today. It may be because I was really looking forward to listening and I had to turn the podcast off for a while to gather my thoughts before I could finish.

It is possible for people to date for a long time without sleeping together or crossing certain boundaries. I just want to point out that there were no laws broken and our current relationship is wonderful and amazing. In fact, we didn’t even live in the same city for the first three years as I was in college and he was not. I would return to my home town for a visit and we would spend time together. It created many struggles that we had to work through but it also created an amazingly strong bond. We just recently moved in together and are planning on spending the rest of our lives together.

In hindsight, I should have just said that we can’t hit up the bar or club scene instead of laying down our ages. I may have opened myself up to ridicule but wasn’t expecting as much as your gave. I also mentioned that I am a scientist not to brag or try to talk myself up but because I have been listening for a very long time and remember the episode that you said that you didn’t think that any scientists listen to the podcast and I wanted to let you know that you can add one to the scientist listener group!

I know that it was most definitely not your intention to bum me out but I just felt the need to let you know! I hope that in turn I don’t bum YOU out. Thank you so much for the suggestions about things to do in St. Louis. I’m sure that we will try to do a few things you mentioned, especially the frozen custard place.

Elizabeth says:

Oh no! So sorry Peggy, trust me that we were just teasing playfully - I can understand why that’s super annoying, just thought that since you made the joke first that we weren’t out of step. Believe me there’s no judgement on our end - wishing you a super happy 5 year anniversary and hope you have a fantastic time in the Lou!
xo

Peggy says:

No worries Elizabeth! I think I just woke up on the wrong side of emotional today. :) Please keep making jokes and being your wonderful selves. Hope you, Andy, and your gorgeous daughter are well!

Robin says:

In response to the freelancer trying to contact people - I have a job that a lot of people want in my field (not entertainment) and I get a lot of emails asking me, “what is like to work as a _____ at ____?” Tip: don’t do that. To answer their question, I would write a novel or have to give such a large picture that I never answer them.

I like it when someone asks me a very specific question about my job, which makes it easier to respond and shows me that they know about the job. I shouldn’t have to do the job for them of catching them up on the industry.

One time someone wanted to work for me and they sent me a message saying “I noticed that you could use help with this, so I did a mock up if blah blah or wrote a strategic plan” and I was impressed. Careful, this can also backfire if it feels like you are telling the person they are doing their job poorly, but it did impress me.

For writers/editors, contently.com is a good platform for displaying your work if you don’t have a fully functioning website.

Catherine says:

I wanted to respond about the writer inner whose girlfriend was taken to the hospital and they are no longer in direct contact. I can somewhat relate to his situation, I am 18 and just finishing high school, and over the past couple years multiple friends of mine have gone to the hospital and psychiatric centres for extended periods due to mental illness. I can understand how difficult this is for him, I as well was given very little information as to the status of my friends and it can be incredibly distressing.

As for what he could do, Iagree with another commenter who suggested he write a letter, as he cannot contact her directly but I’m sure he has stuff he wants to say. From my personal experience, I can say that as hard as things are right now it is important to remember that her stay is temporary, and she is in a place where people are the best equipped to understand what she is going through and help her. She may be able to sort through a lot of her feelings surrounding their relationship with the help of the staff there, and hopefully she will be comfortable talking to him once she is released.

I really related to what he was going through when I heard this writer inner’s problem, and I wanted to be able to say some words of comfort. I know when I was waiting for my friends to return and really unsure about their condition or treatment, I would have appreciated hearing something from someone who is able to relate. As a young person, it is often very hard to know what to do when it comes to dealing with mental illness. Unfortunately, at least in my experience, there are many adults who do not know how to address the situation, or cannot grasp what it truly means for someone to go through such a thing. Luckily, there are also many people who will offer support and guidance, and it sounds like the writer inner has many of these supportive people in his life. I hope that both of them are well, and that they are able to resolve the tension between them soon.

Anonymous says:

I’m writing anonymously due to the private nature of this topic, in order to respond to the writer inner who asked about how to deal with a boyfriend with a lower sex drive. Her situation sounds very similar to what my husband and I have experienced. At about a year into our relationship, I realized that we weren’t having sex very often and that I was usually the one initiating it. I won’t pretend to have all of the answers, but I can describe my experience and hope that some of it will be helpful. I’ll make sure to check back in case the writer inner responds to my comment with any follow up questions.

First of all, if a difference in sex drive is a dealbreaker (a.k.a. you’ll never be truly happy), it’s reasonable to get out now, just like it would be if you knew that you were fundamentally incompatible in terms of desire for kids. Sex is an important part of life (for most people), and it’s ok to have it be a priority in choosing your life partner. For me, my husband and I connect in so many incredible ways that our difference in sex drive is not enough to undermine our bond, so we went into our marriage knowing that this was something we’ll always have to deal with.

A few things that *may* be going on with your boyfriend:
-low testosterone levels or another medical problem (he can get this checked out)
-he may be asexual (many asexual people, though not interested in sex, do form committed loving relationships)
-he may have a sexual interest/fetish that he’s afraid to share with you. Don’t freak out about this possibility. My husband has a couple of fetishes that took him a long time to admit to me. Even though they were actually extremely common and benign fetishes that don’t bother me, his conservative upbringing left him with a lot of shame so I am slowly working on making him comfortable with his interests. If this is the case, you could work his interests into your sex life to make it more appealing to him. Or even just knowing that you’re ok with his interests might make him desire sex more because it will chip away at his shame.
-there might be a physical issue that makes him less interested in sex. Examples include difficulty keeping an erection (such that he has to concentrate extremely hard to sustain one, making it more work than fun), having less sensitivity in his genitals so it’s not as pleasurable for him, or difficulty coming
-he might have had previous relationships in which he was made to feel ashamed about sex, which affects his interest now
-he might just be at the low end of the normal curve of sexual desire. Our society has stereotypes about men’s sexual desire and although it’s true *on average* that men tend to want more sex than women, there are exceptions: some women wants lots of sex; some men want little sex. Unfortunately, the stereotypes about men’s sex drive make it hard for men with a lower sex drive to be honest about it, so you don’t hear very often about men with lower sex drive (though this is changing more recently, and we’re hearing more and more about it)
-he might want sex more often than you two are having it now but have difficulty initiating it, or he may just prefer to not be the one to initiate it

Some possible solutions for you two:
-Have honest and open discussions. Be gentle: don’t frame the issue as his fault or anything he should be ashamed of (after all, it’s not his sex drive that’s the problem; it’s the disparity in your sex drives). Focus your discussions on how the two of you can work on this issue together, in order to solidify your bond
-If the issue is that you want sexual release more often than you have it now, try masturbating more often. This is a great way to get to know yourself better and to get the sexual release without it involving an obligation to your partner. If the issue is also that you want the bonding that occurs with sex, masturbate while your boyfriend holds you and then cuddle afterward. This is a great lower-stress way where you can be sexual together in a way that may get around your boyfriend’s lower sex drive. If what you want is to regain some of the passion that you had in your first few weeks together (where the excitement of the new relationship probably meant you were having a lot of sex despite the difference in your sex drives), try making out more often or going on exciting dates (as opposed to watching Netflix every weekend in sweatpants)
-Consider an open relationship. This one is not a great option for most people but it definitely works for some. If you decide to try this (with your boyfriend’s full consent), do a bunch of research first into the different possibilities for an open relationship so you approach it in a way that helps your relationship instead of harming it. (Note, unless both of you are immediately comfortable with an open relationship, I would kick this possibility way down the road to a time when you have been together for so long that you know your bond is strong and can survive the challenges of an open relationship.)
-Try sex therapy. My husband and I have done this and it’s been helpful. It’s definitely not a fun and sexy experience (unlike what Andy was suggesting) and it can actually be really challenging because you’re discussing an incredibly intimate aspect of your relationship that you’re both nervous about. It’s scary, because it can feel like this aspect of your relationship is at risk of tearing your bond apart, so it can be very difficult. But for us, we found that (despite his apprehension about seeing a therapist) we were able to have some really amazing conversations together facilitated by the therapist, that we might not have been able to have on our own (or it would have taken a much longer time, at the point where the harm to our relationship might have already been done).
-If your boyfriend agrees that it would be good to have sex more often but he’s just not good at initiating, definitely schedule sex. Just like you’re not randomly going to find yourself at a nice restaurant both dressed up and ready to eat, you’re also not all that likely to randomly find yourself both ready for sex at the same time. You schedule dates, so schedule sex too. Definitely find the time of day that works best for you both, and don’t do things right before that time that are hard to pull yourself out of (e.g. don’t turn on your favorite TV show on Netflix 25 minutes before you planned to have sex).

I said at the beginning of this (very long) post that my husband and I went ahead with our relationship because we knew that the amazing parts of our relationship outweighed this difficulty we shared regarding sex drives. But I want to emphasize that if we hadn’t talked about this issue frequently (and continue discussing it to this day), and in a respectful and loving way (without assigning blame or raising voices), it definitely had the potential to undermine our bond. Having a subject that is taboo or awkward that is also incredibly personal can really drive a wedge between two people. This is why I’m so thankful that we started addressing it right at the beginning. Don’t diss your sex life to your girl friends, and don’t ever bring up his low sex drive as a way to insult him during an argument; these will sabotage your relationship. Don’t be freaked out if your initial discussions about this are uncomfortable and if he doesn’t want to talk about it. It takes time to feel comfortable discussing such an intimate topic, even with the person you love.

I hope some of this helps. I really wanted to weigh in since our situations sound so similar.

Jack says:

Great post. The only other thing that crept into my mind was the possibility that he’s into porn. There was nothing particular that the writer-inner said to lean me in this direction but it is one possible explanation.

I think this guy is just a once-a-week sort and there’s probably nothing wrong with him. If this is the case the writer-inner will have to determine if this sacrifice is one she is willing to make - like Anonymous did.

Writer-Inner says:

Thanks very much for the great comments/advice!! Things are definitely getting better since I initially wrote in. We’ve had a few conversations (some good, some emotional) but overall he’s made it clear that it is NOT me and I’m getting better at believing him and not taking everything so personally.

Anonymous: Thanks very much for your post. I think you nailed a lot of possible reasons that I have been considering lately. I think he really just has a lower drive and I’m ok with that now. I think I was being unfair and comparing our sex life to “the perfect sex life” of others instead of focusing on what’s good and what works best for us. This article helped a bit:

http://jezebel.com/the-truth-about-how-much-a-happy-couple-should-have-sex-1531835849

I still struggle with exactly how to talk with him about it - he gets uncomfortable or defensive and I worry that I’m rocking the boat or being a brat. But I think what works is reassuring him the best I can that I am happy with the ways we connect and display affection as well as trying to positively reinforce things I like sexually.

Again, thanks very much for the support! Its nice knowing that I’m not crazy and it’s helpful to get feedback on how to approach him.

Anonymous says:

I’m so glad that it’s getting better for you. It’ll always be a struggle but so much in a relationship is. But if it’s a great overall relationship, then the struggles are worth it (in my humble opinion) :)

Penny says:

I love love love you guys! I’m a stay at home mom with two little kids and I look forward to all three of your podcasts. They make me laugh and forget about the day to day stress.
I also love how you and Andy have such a great relationship (knocking on wood) My relationship with my husband is very stressful and it gives me hope.
So…………thank u!!! xo

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