A Pain In The Back!
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Totally Married Podcast
Episode 203
Tales of the chiropractor, updates on ben wa balls, and details on the “kill” Ramona, the murderous cat acquired today start this episode. Then Elizabeth and Andy give their unqualified advice to listener questions about whether or not men and women can just be friends, how to approach a spouse about his sleeping habit affecting family time, what’s the deal with a mother who mouths all the words as you say them, whether to stay in a relationship with someone who is unable to maintain an erection, and lastly, what do Elizabeth and Andy do to “get in the zone” creatively? Enjoy!
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Hi guys love the show! First commenter here
While there are many talented and genuinely helpful chiropractors out there I will say they are trained in a way that is more focused on what to say and how to sell it to clients rather than anything actually medically relevant. That’s not to be a jerk and discount their degree, just to advise people to be wary when choosing their chiro. It sounds like Elizabeth has found a great one but that isn’t always the case. I have experience with a chiro who told me he could cure my cancer through adjustments and the fact that someone may have believed him and opted out of actual cancer treatment is terrifying to me.
I have a friend and classmate who does the mouthing words thing and it is the most ANNOYING trait ever. She will also say my last bit out loud. Even worse, when a colleague asks me a question and she’s around she will start saying the answer I’m saying out loud just one word behind me! It’s so bizarre. I know she would be so offended if I call her on it so I just put up with it.
I was friends with a guy who did the “mouthing words / finish sentences” thing. When I called him out on it, he seemed to not realize he was doing it. However, after I’d pointed it out to him, he started doing it even more intensely. So either it was a subconscious thing that he was more aware of / worried about after I said something, or it was a passive aggressive thing. I’ll never know!
There are 1 time use cups called Instead that are what I use. I am pretty sure that is what Andy was referring to. They can be messy… But like Elizabeth said it is all messy.
My mom totally mouths the words too. She doesn’t do it all the time or for any one person but she definitely does it. I’ve noticed that it’s really bad if she’s listening to music. She has no idea what the words are but pretends that she does by repeating the words just after they are sung. It drives me bonkers. She also moves her mouth when reading “silently”.
I think in my mom’s case, she’s trying to stay focused on the conversation or book. Her attention span is not great on a good day and I don’t even think she notices that she does it. I haven’t said anything because I don’t want to embarrass her and make her self concious. That being said, it’s seriously annoying. My advice; always be holding a glass of wine when talking to her. It helps
I know someone who does the mouthing thing… She nods and mouths along and then tries to say the last words of a sentence with you. Sometimes she guesses wrong and ends up saying a weird hybrid word. She does it to everyone equally and for every single sentence. It’s odd but kind of charming.
My MIL does that this the exact same way! She always guesses….so bizarre. I’m glad to know she’s not alone. It is kind of charming
This is a GREAT instructional youtube and why I might try the cup again. I was having problems removing it, but there are some great tips here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBh6cAKapA
My mother in law does the mouth thing! It’s a fairly recent development in the last couple of years. It seems particularly pronounced when I’m telling a story, and I wonder if it’s related to her hearing and/or following the trail of a long conversation. She doesn’t speak out loud or replace my words, but she absolutely mouths along which is incredibly disconcerting!
The repetition of sounds or just mouthing the words can be a few different things.
On the more serious side it can be an obsessive compulsive behavior sort of like Tourette’s which is usually called “echolalia” which is when you repeat things you’ve already said or things that you’ve heard without being able to control it. That’s similar to stuttering or a vocal tic. It’s not something intentional and some people don’t even know they’re doing it.
Developmentally, “echolalia” and the connected one which is “palilalia” are considered types of “aphasia” where “aphasia” means difficulty with language or expression.
Some people do it because it helps them understand things better. There are people who repeat things so that their brains process the information which means that the way they learn is more dependent on saying it out loud or “echotic memory”.
That’s more similar to when someone will give you a phone number and you repeat it as they’re saying it so that it sticks in your short-term memory. For those people, repeating the syllables to themselves is so that they process the information. Speaking out loud as people write things is also common, because it helps them see the errors in what they’ve written. I imagine that finishing someone’s sentence with them is sort of like an “aha!” moment.
But echolalia can be a symptom of deafness or degenerating hearing as well. They’re mouthing words because they didn’t hear them so well. Some people who are hard of hearing will be listening, and then repeat what you’ve just said to make sure they caught the information. That’s distracting but it’s because they’re trying to listen.
For other people it’s more a symptom of dementia or even Alzheimer’s where the mind isn’t totally working so well with memory. Not that she’s got dementia or Alzheimer’s, but just that it happens with them too.
Though it’s unlikely, it might also be perfectionism. When people are learning a foreign language they imitate what other people say or how they say it to get pronunciation right. Some people practice their words in their head or out loud before saying them. That’s more of a nervous tic, but it does happen and it’s called “rehearsal” I believe. It’s very common for people who are trying to participate in conversations or public speaking but are afraid of stuttering or blanking out. People rehearse information so that it stays in their memories and it’s a way of soothing their nerves but also giving them sort of like mental note cards.
Echolalia or some of the other terms under what people call aphasia are symptoms so it could be a lot of things.
If she does it with other people, then it’s a thing that she does. If it’s only with the writer-inner, then you might have to make sure it’s not a mocking thing. I assume if there’s no mocking faces being made then it’s probably not to unnerve the writer-inner on purpose and maybe it’s just trying to make sure the information sticks.
Other times it’s more like what Elizabeth was saying like helping the conversation out so it’s more like $10,000 Pyramid where you guess words that seem right to show that you’re engaging in the conversation or trying to empathize.
Again, probably not the thing, but aphasia is common with people who have brain injuries or people who have had trauma on the left hemisphere of their brains since that’s where the language recognition and reproduction centers are, but problem solving and reasoning is more on the right side.
Aphasia itself is a really broad term and refers to anything from people being unable to pronounce words properly, who speak in gibberish because language makes no sense anymore, or they can understand what the thing is when they see it but they physically can’t produce that word in a conversation.
My guess would be that it’s just a quirk that she does with everyone and might not even recognize she’s doing it, unless she’s just doing it to you… in which case, there’s more to it than that.
Also, for the ED problem, there are toys like cock rings or things like that, although I’m not sure of the writer-inner’s situation.
I love my chiropractor. That said, I have only really liked 2 out of the 4 I have been to. I feel like you really need to find one that works for you. I have scoliosis, and am a runner, so I tend to have a lot of hip issues relating to the imbalance in my spine. I’ve been seeing my current Dr now for about 5 years (every 3 weeks) and have avoided a major injury during that time. He is also trained in ART (active release technique) which helps break up scar tissue that’s formed on muscles or tendons, which is amazingly painful, but it works like a mofo. I highly recommend it for folks with soft tissue damage.
I’ve seen many chiros over the years for ongoing tension headache problems. They’ve always been helpful, I just can’t keep up going for the rest of my life when my insurance doesn’t cover it. So I go for awhile, then stop and a few years later the problems act up again.
I’m currently seeing a chiropractor because I was having severe, sharp pains in my hip/lower back to the point where I could barely walk on my left leg.
My current doc has done wonders for my hip & lower back pain. When she starts going on about how she can get me off my blood pressure meds and increase my metabolism I get a little skeptical…
But I’m trying to go with it and see what happens. I’m of the belief that it can definitely help back pain, but I don’t think it is a magical cure-all some chiros like to portray that it is.
Ugh to the daddies that are like teenagers to wake up. I feel your pain writter inner What a pain in the royal behind. We both work full time monday to friday so I only feel that pain on the weekends but that is well enough for me. Very frustrating I have no idea how to change this but am interested if anyone else does.
Glad to know I’m not the only one with a crabby morning husband Amanda! I’m the writer-inner and wanted to let y’all know we survived my crazy busy week and have made great strides since I wrote in my question. I actually felt even better after writing my email, ranting to Elizabeth made me feel so much better.
One thing I did that really helped was plan dinners with a couple friends those nights (one friend brought over a pizza one night and our neighbors came over another night) so it helped that my husband and I both had some stuff to look forward to and didn’t have to worry about what we would eat. Sounds crazy but I’m sure many people struggle with the, “what do you want want for dinner” convo so you get it. I’ve kept up the pre-planning the week’s dinners since then and it’s made life so much easier!
My husband and I also talked about it more when I wasn’t so mad and he wasn’t acting 16 and that helped too. He acknowledged that he’s an idiot when he first wakes up and told me to not to take anything he says seriously and that he will try to be better and he has! I’ve also adjusted my work schedule a bit and when I do have to wake him up I do it with gentle nice words and his coffee in my hand LOL. I find blow jobs help as well. 😉
Thanks for your advice Elizabeth and Andy!
Great show! Several things, I’ve never been to a chiropractor before but I have had bad lower back pain before and went to an Airrosti dr. They focus on soft tissue injury and work miracles. http://www.airrosti.com
Another thing about the circumcision - I remembered hearing this on the news a couple days ago!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-mom-released-jail-circumcision-dispute/story?id=31273930
To the writer-inner that’s experiencing sexual dissatisfaction in her relationship, she could propose ethical non-monogamy to her partner and see what his reaction is prior to deciding to bounce. It isn’t for everyone but could be a way to preserve her current relationship and get her sexual needs met. If she’s interested in learning more, this is a good website: http://www.morethantwo.com
Hey guys.. first. i will say that you guys are sick often! It is totally having a little one in daycare.. Have you tried chewable zinc lozenges? I keep a huge bottle in the house and chew them a few times a day when my kids get a cold or if i feel a sore throat or something cold related starting. Also take multivitamins! OK now on to the writer inner who’s husband cant wake up in the morning.. I totally sympathize with the husband! I can be the same way.. i have three kids and i’m a stay at home mom… i have to MAKE myself wake up quite a while before they do or else i tend to be more grumpy and have a much shorter fuse.. I have never enjoyed waking up in the morning.. my husband leaves the house at 6 am for work so i try to wake up before he leaves then get the kids up at 6:30 to get ready for school. My husband hates waking me up because i am such a bitch to him.. He jokingly says he’d rather wake up the devil. My sweet husband lets me sleep in every single weekend and he gets some time with just the kids in the morning, so i say it’s a win win
Honestly it’s like i’m a different person for 15 minutes when i wake up.. BUT.. the husband seriously needs to try to go to bed earlier. I haven’t done research on it but i wonder if it’s a personality trait or something.. my mom was (and probably still is) the same way and she was such a bitch to us in the morning that when we got old enough to walk to school we did not disturb her and just got ourselves to school.. she was awful in the mornings.. maybe that’s why i really try not to be like that in the mornings to my kids. I take melatonin at night and i’m asleep by 10 usually.. which makes getting up in the morning easier.. also.. waking up early really helps you get tired at night.. and i don’t know if he naps during the day but he shouldn’t!
Oh and it’s puss IN boots
Looks like people have already covered the mouthing words thing, I was curious if maybe it’s just an intense form of mimicking behavior. Would be so very annoying though!
For the writer inner with the husband who stays at home and is a night owl, I have a dialed down version of that in my house. My husband is a SAH-rockstar and he tends to go to sleep later than I do (around midnight). However, I have set a precedent that he gets up with our kiddo no matter what, the frustrating part is that I’ll often see him half asleep on the couch in the morning. It had gotten worse over the past few months since I was pregnant & in first trimester and going to bed around 8pm, when he was clearly not ready to go to sleep.
Now that I’m going to bed more like 9pm-10pm, I’ve tried to get him involved in my nighttime routine. I ask to cuddle in bed, I make him a cup of bedtime (tranquil dream from teavana) tea when I make mine, etc. About half the time he does fall asleep at the same time as I do.
For us, while we don’t have the issues of him being a jerk in the mornings (though sometimes he’s not the cheeriest person), I was more concerned with his health and making sure he was taking care of himself. So maybe go from that approach and ask for that connection in the bedtime routine? Good luck! And keep on rocking you working mom you.
Thanks Steph! I’m the writer-inner and appreciate your tips! =) I replied to Amanda up top with an update if you’re interested.
Andy, using the Ben wah balls for exercising purposes is VERY common for women trying to “tighten” things back up after pushing a child through there. Elizabeth was right that it IS better for everyone. Think about it.
Regarding late life circumcisions. I have a friend who got one in his late 20’s. He was diagnosed with Type II diabetes and apparently they said he should get it done. He said the worst part was a night. Men get multiple erections a night and every time it happened he would wake up in agony.
This is to the writer-inner who has a really close guy friend. I had one of those too. We had been friends forever. We are still friends now not near as close. When you meet the right partner, your friend will not be as high of a priority and like Elizabeth and Andy said, it will feel natural. If he is a true friend he will understand and not be hurt. Your friendship will not end but it will change. We all change with time. People who were once a priority aren’t as much anymore and it’s all normal and natural. I wouldn’t stress and just enjoy the friendship. Keep open for the right person to come around if you want them too and if you don’t see a future with your friend. Good luck.
Elizabeth and Andy, I have a thought for you. Wouldn’t confiding in a same sex friend about relationship issues be the same type of betrayal. You are giving intimate details about your relationship and making that same sex friend a priority over your signification other. If your next thought is about physical attraction I can honestly say I have no physical attraction to many of my male friends. I just need a guys advice. I think the betrayal would come in if you had to hide the conversation from your significant other. Betrayal is not about the sex of the person you are confiding in. It’s in hiding it from your partner. After 8 years of marriage (Officially today) I feel like we found being open and honest is where a good relationship foundation starts. The more you hide the more complicated the relationship is. If you’re trying to find a way to get your guy to take out the garbage and the best advice you get from your female friends is “throw it at him or yell at him.” maybe a guys point of view helps. Like leaving it in front of the front door for him to take down as he leaves. Or a sticky note on the mirror with a gentle reminder. (Things my guy friends suggested. They pointed out he might just not remember to do it if he is in a hurry.) They had bad ones too like putting it in the front seat of his car. A little too passive aggressive for me.
Anyway, Just something to think about.
I’m pretty wary of responding to a little kid when I’m out somewhere, more than once in the past I waved or said hi back and got a dirty look from the mom. They’re just being protective I guess, but it made me feel like a total creep, so now I do kind of just ignore any children, which probably isn’t great either.
On another note, I thought Andy was overreacting a bit to this a while back, but a young guy working at a grocery store the other day called me “boss” and I found it super off-putting, had like a real visceral reaction to it, no idea why.
I was just coming back to comment on the guys with kids in public thing to provide this blog I read earlier this week that stuck with me http://www.babble.com/parenting/hey-dad-at-the-playground-i-got-your-back/
As a mom I would hate to think I would give some guy a dirty look and also would hate to think my husband or (once he’s grown) my son would be receiving dirty looks for being friendly! Sad world we live in now.
I was going to comment on the benefit of chiropractic, but see it’s been Commented on a lot. I will say, I just had my regular adjustment (go every 4-6weeks) and as soon as my doc adjusted my neck, my sinuses cleared (getting over a cold). Chiropractic can have hidden benefits like more acute hearing/sight like I experienced . Sounds crazy, I know.
As for bathroom issues Andy seems to bring up often…there is a misconception that men’s bathrooms are so terrible and that women are clean. I work in a very professional industry that requires high education and have worked in multiple companies/buildings and I’ve need seen anything more disgusting than the ladies restrooms. On a regular basis there is shit, blood and urine all over the toilets . REGULARLY. Today, 3 out of 4 wsee smeared with biohazard. It is truly horrifying and it’s not just men. Aults can be disgusting, and when it’s not their bathroom they act like animals because someone else has to clean it!!!
P.S. My grammar is truly horrifying. Still getting used to the many quirks of my new tablet!
Yes! I agree totally with the gross women’s bathrooms in highly professional offices! When I got my first real job, I had to call maintenance at least once a week to unclog the toilet in an office where folks made over 100k. To this day I just don’t get it.
To the wife with the hubby/teenager SAHD: I suggest hiring a sitter. I am a SAHM and I hate the hours of 5pm-7pm. I have a mother’s helper or my mom-in-law at our house a couple days a week or I drop off my kids with another sitter. I know morning is a weird time, but I think it’s worth finding someone for a couple of hours to let mom get ready/go to work and let dad sleep. Especially if it’s not every day. It could be a grandmotherly type person (who’s up early anyway) or a college student on the days they have later classes. I hope it works out for you because it sounds like y’all are doing an amazing job parenting together and being a couple. Good luck!
Thank you so much Jennifer! I’m the writer-inner and we did recently find a sitter and I love the idea of having her come over in the am sometimes. Great advice, I appreciate it.
I have never seen a chiropractor but i had a Cranio-sacral therapist fix a problem I had after a bad fall. She never applied more pressure than the weight of a quarter but the sensations were so relieving. I also experienced pain and exhaustion the following day before starting to feel better. Would really recommend this sort of treatment!
Yup, puss IN boots. The puss wears the boots.
Usually when I leave a comment it’s about science-based thinking regarding vaccines or something like that and I end up feeling like a preachy, pompous blowhard. So I’m not going to do that today, instead I’m just going to leave a link and say I love your podcasts!
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-end-of-chiropractic/
yes!
So, it seems that people have really covered the mouthing words/finishing sentences thing, but I have a different perspective. I totally used to do this. And to a certain extent I still finish people’s sentences.
In my case, it was completely unconscious. I actually had no idea I was doing it until a really good friend pointed it out to me. I had to really focus to stop doing it. And in the process of trying to break the habit I realized I do it to stay attentive in conversations.
Bottom line, it’s something people can change. I’m not sure if the writer-inner wants to address it with her mom, because that seems like a can of worms best left unopened. However, if the person is reasonably self-aware it’s probably something people should just point out to them. (Wow that sentence has a lot of ambiguous pronouns, but you guys get it).
To the gal with the boyfriend with the wet noodle, I understand his pain and frustration.
I’m in my late 20s and got snipped. I had a sports accident which later made it so I couldn’t retract it anymore and the doc said I had to join the helmet club. So now I have a permanent convertible in my pants. And this is how much of a badass I was about it: I was awake during the entire “procedure”.
And I’m starting to suffer some effects because of it. I have trouble staying at full salute for longer than 10 minutes and I’ve sadly noticed that my pitched tent isn’t as big as it used to be. Which sucks for me because I was on the very low spectrum of average to begin with
But he can get some assistance in staying up in the form of these magic pills. Here’ what I did, went to the doctor to ask for this magic pill and he said it cost like 20 bucks. Screw that, I went to Mexico and bought their generic version, Maxifort, that works just as well. Got 10 of the for like $14. I just cut them up and take 1/4th of a pill and they work great. Just sad that I’m not even 30 and have to resort to using them.
So if she really likes this guy and wants to try to make it work, I suggest this vitamin V, or it’s generic counterpart.
PS: For anyone that has ever wondered, sex (and even masturbating) felt much, much, MUCH, better when it was intact.
I know that Andy based his opinion of chiropractors on his experience, but if he based it on the science, he’d probably have the same opinion. I also had assumed it was completely legit; I had no idea that it was controversial and there really isn’t any scientific evidence of its effectiveness (with the exception of manipulating the spine to help lower back pain, but even that isn’t any more effective than other treatments), I don’t want to be a wet blanket, but when it comes to medical stuff, actual proof is important to me. Additionally, in rare cases, it can cause adverse effects.
And comparing a medical doctor to a chiropractor is not correct-chiroprators have a narrower scope, less training and are not licensed physicians. And I also think E answered why many people swear by it: they want to believe it works, and they’ve been told by many people that it does. But there are also thousands of people who call psychic hotlines and swear by that as well. My advice would be to go to a physical therapist instead (or really any treatment that doesn’t have a “Controversy” section on its Wikipedia page.)
Joe-
You don’t really have all the facts of what you are talking about, but we can appreciate your attempt to provide a useful opinion. Chiropractors take the same coursework as medical physicians (look it up its available anywhere online comparing the classes and training for both) and more than physical therapists. Its why they are viewed as primary care providers by insurance companies, able to see patients without a medical referral and physical therapists are not. Chiropractors also take national board exams, so they are licensed physicians.
People wanting to believe something works does not equate to anything working - this is the purpose of double blind studies where all the participants are provided treatment, meaning they think they are receiving something therapeutic, but the results are gauged on the effectiveness of the treatment to the people that received it. So if it was solely based on believing in a treatment, as you theorize, there would be no way of differentiating between those receiving it and those that did not receive whatever is being studied. Comparing chiropractic to a psychic hotline is a bit of a stretch, maybe you should brush up on what you are talking about before attempting to offer such a misguided opinion.
Physical therapy is great, but its one treatment option and truthfully it only works if the patient sticks with the prescribed exercises. What people don’t understand is that we all brush our teeth daily to prevent cavities - the same can be applied for preventative medicine. Daily exercise and preventative chiropractic treatment 1-2 times per month go a long way at preventing musculoskeletal issues.
Do your homework next time before providing such half witted advice.
I know it’s late in the game, but I’ll throw my chiropractic opinion in there too - My brother had HORRIBLE migraines growing up - they would devastate him for days at a time. Someone suggested a chiropractor, and for whatever reason, my parents paid out of pocket this guy’s outrageous fees for I don’t know how long - at least a year. He would go in with a migraine and come out with a migraine, he would go in without a migraine and come out with a migraine. He would be in tears a lot of the time after his ‘treatments’. I have no idea why they stuck with it for so long, he never got one ounce of relief, but the “doctor” (no way in hell does that term apply) kept talking of all the progress he was making. If something hurt, he would say no, it didn’t hurt, it was better now, etc, etc, etc. I wouldn’t let one of them touch me if I was paid to.
My mom does the mouthing words thing! It is really annoying when she is mad and actually curls her lips in like she is bearing her teeth then mouths the words you are saying! It really escalates the argument, which I think is the purpose.
To the writer-inner whose husband struggles with getting up after staying up late, I’m comig at it as a stay at home parent while looking for a job following a recent graduation. I have been struggling with this lately and I’ve been trying to figure out why I feel the need to stay up so late. I think it’s the need for some alone time to just veg out, watch tv, or peruse the Internet. I think the solution could be coming up with a schedule with some days where he’s allowed to sleep in. I find I feel super on mornings when my husband gets up with our daughter and does breakfast, etc while I sleep in. I’m also trying to find ways to control this time when I’m staying up: reading in bed rather than watching TV, etc.
I too am then a bear in the morning and I agree with Elizabeth, some people just have a tough time in the morning…not really a solution but I understand where the husband is coming from. Primary caregiving on the weekend is different because it’s more family time (I also do most of the primary caregiving on the weekend too)