A Tearful Goodbye w/Andy!
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Totally Mommy Podcast
Episode 17
In today’s episode we discuss The Good, The Bad, and The Funnies (Having an amazing partner, Saying goodbye to Baby Oprah for a work trip, and a banana line up that makes Elizabeth lose her poise momentarily) before answering listener questions about mommy playdates anxiety, labor preparation and parenting styles, whether to connect with the child of a sibling that is bat shit crazy, and how to address a relative about their smokey smell when they visit and care for the sweet smelling baby! Enjoy!
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Found this website informative on Parenting Styles..You may need to dig a little deeper if looking for a specific ‘method’.. Just wanted to share.
Shoot, maybe Andy will find clarification in what he was trying to say in this link!
Keep up the great work guys
http://psychology.about.com/od/developmentalpsychology/a/parenting-style.htm
The Funny - My husband and son were talking in the car…
Son: am I 5 and a half yet?
Husband: No, you’re not that old, you’re more like 5 and a quarter.
Son: (disgusted) I’d rather be five and a dollar.
Hello. (first time commenter and a mom to be in august) But I am currently listening to the part of this podcast about the mother (or MIL) smoker who smells of smoke around her grandchild. I have an in-law that smokes and smells of smoke and it terrifies me that every time my baby will smell them or breath while being held by them that they will be taking in carcinogens. Makes me super sad. I am desperately struggling with how to deal with this issue. My in-law is very defensive just like your writter-inner’s mom/MIL and I find it disheartening to just “deal” with the circumstances. Little baby lungs shouldn’t be subjected to second or third hand smoke (much less first). I grew up with a parent that smoked and remember how terrible it was to have no say and I suppose I feel like “this time around” I have a say and a choice to avoid my child being subject to smoke. While the writter-inner is [a little] lucky that her mom/MIL lives far away, mine does not and so I also have to deal with the issue of allowing my baby to visit the in-law’s house that permanently smells of smoke. I feel like there is no good way to deal with the issue of family members that smoke. Smoking sucks BAD.
Third-hand smoke? I actually never had heard that term, so I looked it up. According to this on Parenting.com, smoke toxins can linger on someone’s clothing and hair and might be bad for a new baby to inhale. (http://www.parenting.com/article/on-call-babies-and-third-hand-smoke)
If that’s the case, maybe the writer-inner or other people with this problem can blame their family doctor for their concerns. Maybe they could even talk to him/her about this issue and see what the doctor recommends. Having your mom wash her hands before holding the baby and switching to a smoke-free t-shirt or jacket might sound less offensive if you say your doctor told you to do it?
I’m a mom to a 1 y/o (16 mo old) and I was nodding along to the entire parenting styles conversation. There are so many different ways to parent along a spectrum. It’s all about making it work for you and your family. We adopt some attachment styles, extended breastfeeding (now for morning and night, Andy bubble of peace 😉 ), babywearing, did lots of soothing when baby was young. Have a touch of the crunchy mom qualities: glass bottles, cloth diapers, etc. But I also have very non-attachment qualities: I work outside the home and am away from home more than my husband and we did sleep training (Dr. Weissbluth scheduling that actually didn’t require much crying). We have a great groove going, try to stay very positive and happy, but also within boundaries so that he stays happy and healthy.
It’s all about forming something that is effective for your personality and your kid’s. My favorite advice I received was that it’s okay to learn as you go, that’s why they are born as babies, you don’t have to worry about disciplining a toddler yet (and let’s not forget eventual teenagers).
My good: My son fell asleep last night while he was nursing. So I got extra cuddles, which were necessary because….
My bad: I have two work commitments this week that require me to miss bedtime twice. It’s a total bummer, and I usually don’t like to be away more than one a week (if at all).
I wanted to follow up on the link that Chasity posted. I was a teaching assistant (TA) for a developmental psychology course, and I am a graduate student studying developmental psychology. In the course I TA’ed for, we hit hard on authoritative/authoritarian/permissive parenting (in Chasity’s link). There’s a great deal of research indicating best outcomes with authoritative parenting in western cultures. Authoritative parenting indicates a style that is very loving, warm and responsive, but still has clear and enforced rules.
FWIW, an overwhelming number of phenomena in psychology are subject to an “inverted U-shaped curve”, where too little or too much of something is bad, and there’s a sweet spot somewhere in-between. (A classic exam is stress for a test. Too little stress and you’re not studying and checking your answers well. Too much stress can impair your performance.) Authoritative parenting fits well with that idea: too much strictness and discipline is not great, and too much permissiveness and indulgence is not great either.
I’m not a parent yet (hopefully soon!), but I suspect that most of the trendy parenting strategies in pop culture fall prey to this. I think this is why you see shifts back and forth between which parenting strategies are in style. All of them have good elements, but many of them can fall somewhat on extremes. There are some parents with “kids are seen not heard/only speak when you’re spoken to” types of philosophies, and other parents with “the world revolves around my child” philosophies (those are the kind of folks who yell at teachers if their kids are under-performing on exams). There are attachment parents and parents who Ferberize. As an outsider, it seems like the best strategies would be somewhere in between.
Except, of course, with newborns. Like Elizabeth said, Ferberization isn’t supposed to be used for babies younger than 4 months. Newborns have much greater needs for emotional and physical nurturing.
This has been a very rough week for our family so we really needed a funny and boy did I get from my 4 year old son.
My Bad: Telling my son someone he loves dearly, his aunt had passed.
My Funny: His response:
“She got dead?” Yes
“She’s in heaven with Nana & Papa?” Yes
“They’re having a party?” Yes! They are having a party welcoming her.
“I bet they have balloons…and a BOUNCE HOUSE!!!”
I love all 3 of your podcasts and look forward to the new shows every week. I love laughing with you, your relationship is refreshing and I appreciate you putting yourselves out there.
For the mom with a smoking parent, it goes beyond just how they smell. Smoke residue left on the clothing can cause severe eye and nose irratation in infants and babies. My son had very sensitive skin as an infant after many Dr. visits we learned his face rash, eye swelling and labored nose breathing was from the smoke residue. Both grandma’s smoke, we thought we had taken every precaution with having them wash hands and always having them to our home instead of going to theirs. Sounds severe and at the time everyone thought we were ridiculous, but we would make them change into Hanes Tshirts we purchased when they came over, viola! Cleared his issues right up!
My good: my 8 month old baby started saying “mama” this week
My bad: my little guy is getting his first tooth. Because of the pain, he has been waking up more than usual
My funny: watching my baby play naked in his crib before bedtime. I love seeing the cellulite on his little but
Turns out farts are actually good for you!
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/04/28/306544406/got-gas-it-could-mean-you-ve-got-healthy-gut-microbes?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email
Love the show.
Third hand smoke is a thing and a health hazard. Not sure how much it affects a baby when contact with third hand smoke is infrequent, but it’s definitely not healthy for babies (or adults!) to have repeat exposures to third hand smoke.
Lauren, great point. I found a couple of articles to share. One is from MayoClinic.org and the other is from ScientificAmerica.com. Basically, I think the parents have every right to not want her child around someone who has been smoking.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/expert-answers/third-hand-smoke/faq-20057791
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-third-hand-smoke/?WT.mc_id=send-to-friend
Elizabeth and Andy! So I couldn’t help but think of the show Portlandia when you all started talking about the different parenting styles. Here’s a link to the clip from the show. I thought it was pretty funny and wanted to share. http://youtu.be/Sw3bG8SrCM4 If the link doesn’t work just search “Portlandia - Books on Parenting”.
Thanks for another great episode!
This was a very funny clip! Thanks for posting!!
My 14 month old daughter is a total mess when it comes to bedtime. She needs constant cuddles and back pats - all of which wouldn’t be a bad thing except for the fact that she takes this attention while our 3 year old son is still awake and about the house.
Funny: My husband took kid duty so I could go for a run. I cut my run short and came home to grab my keys for a few errands. Upon entering, I see my 3 year old parked on the couch with the iPad, and my husband is no where to be found (aka passed the hell out in the bed, arm draped over baby). Apparently he left the 3 year watching, “How It’s Made: Ambulances.” At some point that ended and auto played to, “How It’s Made: Sanitary Napkins.” You bet I screenshot that shit to hold over my husband’s head for leverage when I have a mommy fail! Because that was a serious dad fail! Ha!
Recently discovered your podcasts and love all three!
I went to an infant cpr class and the instructor mentioned the link between being around smoke and SIDS. I don’t know more info on how strong the link is and how much the baby would have to be around it but it scared the day lights out of me. She suggested asking the person to change a shirt or give them a blanket to put over them before they hold the baby.
once again Andy shows his awesome wisdom in all areas!! what a guy!! parenting styles is hilarious!!! be in the moment with whatever comes and then you’ll be one hella parent mistakes and all!!! aloha peeps
Hi guys! Love you both so much! Hey I breasted both my boys until they were almost 3 and I am so far from a hippie! We were just poor and couldn’t afford formula, then before I knew it it was a habit enjoyed by both of us. I was totally judged by my friends and family, and actually quit because of that. (It was also time for sure!) but looking back now, I can say with such clarity that I am so glad I did it for that long. They are almost 11 and 8 now, the iPad gets more affection than me, and there are days when I miss my babies so much. When a door gets slammed in my face, or a too cool for you now tween ignores me in front of his friends, I think back to those blissfull days of putting the boppy around my waist, whipping out the bobs and nursing that sweet little boy who thought I hung the moon. It goes by waaaay too fast!!! Love that baby of yours up for sure!
That’s the SWEETEST! It’s the little things that you just have to allow time for cherishing!
The good, a couple of times when I have come home from work and said hi and waved at my 6 month old she has smiled and waved back. I feel so proud when she masters a new movement or sound. It is truly amazing to watch her transform.
The bad, I’m six months out and still haven’t managed to loose the weight I gained while pregnant.
The funny, I gave my daughter a spoonful of oatmeal and she sneezed and blew it all over my face.
For me it took a solid two years of NOT trying to lose weight for it to come off. It’s so overwhelming being a new mom and all the demands of the baby in the first year that sleep became my only method of weight loss. I figured if I focused on getting as much sleep as I could I would be less sleepy and therefore crave less sugar.
I went for walks when I could, did yoga when I could, and eventually did a little running. Looking back the best thing I could have done was to give myself a break. All the weight came off by itself as my babe got older and more active and my sleep improved.
So PLEASE mamas, just give yourself a break. Make the best choice in each moment and keep your peace of mind. If the best choice for now is a bismark, eat the donut and when the sun is shining go for a walk. Do what feels good and your body will slowly, slowly respond.
I wanted to write to the Mama who’s having a baby boy and wanted to foster his “feminist” qualities and rejected the “tough guy” baby wear. RIGHT ON I say. I have a three year old boy who is empathetic, kind, affectionate, thoughtful, and expresses his emotions. That’s what I’m reading when you say “feminist”.
As for those typical boy clothes - YUCK! I’m all about dressing my guy in clothes that I love (read stripes, no corporate logos, and things made by people in the usa). Until he chooses his own clothes I will choose the kind of clothes I’m willing to buy. When it comes to clothes given as gifts when he was little and even now, I washed them and put them in the drawer and MOST of them got worn once, usually with the gift giver around, before I donated them. If I could exchange them for something more my taste, I exchanged it. It drove my husband crazy because I was able to express my feelings to my family and so most of those “boy” clothes came from his side of the family. My husband has grown to accept my silly clothes rules. I spend all day every day with this boy, no one else has this intimate a relationship with his clothes. It’s only fair that I get some joy from the clothes he’s wearing. Now that he’s 3 he picks out his own outfits, but I still pick the clothes in the drawers.
I recently read this article on raising a moral child, but I think the same technique applies to raising an emotionally literate child: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/12/opinion/sunday/raising-a-moral-child.html?_r=0
What we want to move away from in this country are boys who are taught to “man up” instead of express their feelings and communicate effectively. Instilling the “feminist” or “feminine” quality of knowing how they feel and being able to communicated it effectively with their friends, family, classmates, co-workers and future partner.
I have achieved what I am proud to say is an emotionally literate little person by ALWAYS acknowledging his feelings. Before he could speak to what he was feeling I would give him the words. “Oh boy, it looks like you’re frustrated. I understand, it’s frustrating not to play with that (insert ANYTHING)” And before he could apologize I would help him sign “I’m sorry” to someone he hurt. When I’m upset I narrate my feelings to him. “I’m feeling so sad because I keep asking you to_____ and you’re not cooperating with me.” ANY feeling I have I rationally share and express with him. When he’s having an irrational tantrum I ATTEMPT to help him express what he’s feeling. “You can say ‘I’m disappointed we can’t stay at the park, mom'” and if that doesn’t work I give him a break. The break is time alone to calm down and regain rational thinking. Of course if we are at home it’s easy for me to walk away and give him space. If we were out I would wrestle him into his carseat and ignore his screams until he calms down. If he insists on having the tantrum on me I’ll put him in bed to chill out. I don’t see it as punishment; simply the opportunity to regain his composure, settle down, become rational again. It’s exactly what adults need to do when they are feeling overwhelmed by a situation and unable to express it rationally: walk away, calm down, re-address the situation later.
When he calms down I encourage him to apologize for the way he’s treated me “I need you to say ‘Sorry for kicking and hitting and screaming at you mom’ because you hurt me and I’m feeling sad” and when he does I thank him and forgive him.
We work very hard not to create any shame surrounding feelings or even behavior. Mistakes are made, bad choices happen. We call them what they are, give him the opportunity learn from it, and move forward.
To address Andy’s concern of creating a wimpy kid I have to disagree. I focus on teaching him to be assertive, to communicate his feelings openly and without shame, and to listen. I’m careful not to solve his problems for him but to rather give him the tools to solve his own problems, eventually.
Will he go out and get hurt, yes. But he will always know that he can come home and tell me about it without fear of anger, shame, or belittling with a “Man Up.”
Thanks for having this forum! I love all the podcasts!
Good: {expressing emotion while riding in the car}
“Mom, I’m just feeling frustrated right now.”
“Why?”
“Because I just REALLY don’t want to get gas.”
Bad: He caught a cold, my husband has been gone for a week, and we are visiting family 3 hours from home. So our sleep is REALLY broken up and I’m getting worn out.
Funny: I’m 33 weeks pregnant. My little guy goes to all my OB appointments. On the way home he held up his right hand, snapped on a rubber glove and said “Mom, I’m your doctor, I’m gonna check your baby!”
As a quick thought, I hate the phrase “He’s all boy.” My mom uses it on my nephew all the time and it annoys me. What does it mean? That mean boys who aren’t rowdy or aggressive (or whatever else that is supposed to imply) aren’t also “all boys”?
Sweetness, thoughtfulness or being kind to others doesn’t makes anyone less of a boy. Physical play, high energy or getting dirty doesn’t makes girls less of a girl. Why should it be different for boys?
I think the writer-inner is trying to teach her boy compassion for others and that it’s okay to be himself without conforming to gender norms — not that he should be wimpy.
We’ve fought against the idea that women and girls have to be act a certain way, but sometimes we still have a difficulty time letting a boy cry when he’s hurt himself or teach him to talk his way out of problems rather than fighting.
*difficult time
And as always, love the show you two!
I have a holiday funny.
My son is now 7 years old. When he was 3 1/2, we baked cookies for Santa. He is very serious about leaving something for Santa and he insisted on putting out 4 cookies and a full glass of milk. He wanted to make sure that Santa would share the cookies with the reindeer if he himself could not eat them all. My husband ate a couple of cookies and I ate one and we left just a chunk of one cookie and a few crumbs on the plate for him to see in the morning. My son came downstairs with his focus on the cookies. He was so happy that “Santa” ate the cookies he left for him.
After about 45 minutes of our family Christmas morning my son went back over to the coffee table and asked if he could have the chunk of cookie left on the plate. My husband and I didn’t think much of it and said “yes”. It was only one chunk and it was Christmas…we could let this slide and he can eat this little treat before breakfast. My son picked up the cookie and held it for a moment and then put the cookie chunk back on the plate and went back to playing with his music box. I said, “Baba, you don’t want the cookie?”. He replied, “I don’t know where Santa put his hands…I don’t know if he washed them”.
He had a valid point. All we could do was smile. He’s a hoot!
Thanks all for the advice about relatives who smoke. I appreciate it!
When my LO-20 months now would make milestones It made me so happy that I couldnt handle it. I was then prescribed celexa for anxiety. My child was giving me anxiety because she being so cute. Funny how that works.